Canon 5d Mark II vs Canon 7D
Which is right for you, the Canon 7D or the 5D MarkII?

Canon EOS 7D vs. 5D MarkII : Who should buy the 7D?

The Differences That Matter

The first difference worth mentioning, of course, is the price tag…. about $900 difference, if the current prices listed are any indication (7D at about $1599 at Amazon and the 5D Mark II at about $1,084.95). Since we’re looking at a couple of cameras that have the build quality for professional use, with magnesium alloy bodies, full HD video capabilities, top notch processors, and some of the most advanced CMOS sensors around, we can expect professional quality results from either camera. In fact, comparing the columns of features for the two cameras reveals that the vast majority of them are identical.  Something must justify the price difference, though.

Most obviously is the CMOS sensor difference, the 5Dii being a 21M pixel, full frame sensor, and the 7D being an APS-C size holding about 18Megapixels. The 7D has dual Digic4 processors, whereas the 5Dii has only one. Probably as a result of this, the new arrival boasts burst speeds about twice as fast as the 5D. There are many other minor differences (and perhaps a few significant ones), but I think that these are the most important to consider up front.

Pixels and Sensor Size

The practical difference between 18 and 21 Megapixels in terms of raw size is minimal.
Matthew Gore | Light And Matter The practical difference between 18 and 21 Megapixels in terms of raw size is minimal.

If all other things were equal, the pixel count between the 7D and 5D Mark II would not be a significant factor in choosing one camera over the other. I’ve illustrated the file size difference (left) with images scaled to the dimensions of each camera’s output, but just by looking at the numbers we can get a pretty good idea of how things would stand. The difference is about an inch in on each axis… not a big deal.

But of course, it’s not quite that simple. Since the 7D’s sensor is considerably smaller than that of the 5D, its receptors are also smaller and more densely packed. Traditionally, dense receptors have produced more digital noise than their larger counterparts, especially during long exposures which generate more heat. Canon has done a good job of controlling digital noise with their efficient sensors and processing in the past, and although the 7D produces relatively little digital noise, it still falls a bit short of the performance of the 5D Mark II, which has been so highly praised for its ability to produce low noise images in nearly any lighting situation. A variety of ISO comparisons are available across the internet, including mine, here, if you’d like to see how subtle the difference is.

Much more importantly, though, is how the sensor size effects resolution. Many photographers have already noted that the receptor density of the Canon 50D has already matched (in resolution) what we used to achieve with slow 35mm film. Indeed, on the 50D, the sensor density is roughly 213 pixels per millimeter, a density that would produce a 39 megapixel image on full frame sensor such as the 5D series. The 7D takes this development even further, with around 233 pixels per millimeter, at which resolution a full frame sensor would produce a 46.7 megapixel image.

Why do these numbers  matter? Because at this resolution, the image quality is frequently limited by  the lens rather than the sensor.  Even at the 15 megapixels of the Canon 50D (and certainly at the 18 megapixels of the 7D) the sensor will usually have the resolution to capture all of the detail that the lens can resolve, including the flaws in the lens performance such as chromatic aberration, corner softness, diffraction, and any manufacturing flaws; adding additional megapixels will only serve to increase file size, not detail. The same thing can be achieved with good up-sampling software, such as onOne’s Genuine Fractals.  Furthermore, since the sensor is smaller than a full frame dSLR’s, the image will have to be enlarged proportionately more to achieve the same size print… which will also enlarge the flaws from the lens. An excellent article about this effect in the Canon 50D with photographic examples can be found on the Luminous Landscape.

In order to reap any benefit from the increased resolution of the 7D’s sensor, photographers will need to use the best lenses and their best technique. Some of Canon’s “L” lenses and a few lenses from the Pro lines of other manufacturers (such as Sigma, Tokina, and Tamron) will produce quality results, but even those lenses will need to be used properly. The photographer will need to determine the optimum aperture for each lens (at which it produces the highest resolution across the full frame) before being limited by diffraction by the aperture leaves. Furthermore, tripods and remote (or timed) release will be crucial.

Another important difference due to sensor size is the depth-of-field (DOF). In general terms, the larger the sensor or film, the shallower the depth of field. The difference in DOF between a Canon APS-C sensor and a full-frame is slightly more than 1 f-stop (ie; if a 5D Mark II is using a 200mm lens and a 7D is using a 125mm to get an equivalent field of view, the 7D has to shoot at f/1.8 to get DOF as shallow as the 5D has at f/2.8). Depending what you shoot, having greater depth of field can either be a drawback or a benefit: it can be great for photographers who want as much in focus as possible, a nuisance for photographers wishing to separate their subject from a blurry background.

Who Should Buy the Canon 7D, then?

From the previous section, you might be under the impression that I would not recommend the 7D, but that’s not the case. The issue depends entirely on the photographer’s shooting style. The speed of the 7D, coupled with its new AF system and large, bright viewfinder, make it an excellent choice for sports photographers and other journalists for whom the increased (1.6x) magnification are a benefit. Wedding photojournalists may be included in this group. These photographers, who regularly hand-hold their shots and reproduce them in forums that do not necessitate the highest resolution, are not effected by the lens resolution limits.

Art and Landscape photographers, on the other hand, may benefit from the better overall resolution of the 5D Mark II. Since these photographers typically shoot for the highest resolution, with heavy tripods and excellent technique, they will notice the better image quality from the 5D, but also will get the most out of a 7D if they happen to use one.

The 7D is the best choice if you…The 5D Mark II is the best choice if you…
shoot lots of action: sports, journalism, events.shoot landscapes, macros, or fine detail work.
don’t mind getting extra depth of field.prefer shallower depth of field and traditional perspective.
frequently shoot telephoto.use full frame, wide angle lenses.
usually shoot hand-held shots.usually use a tripod or studio strobes.
expect to buy the best quality lenses and use them at their optimal settings to get the most from you sensor.use a wide range of full frame lenses.
believe that speed, responsiveness, and good resolution are most important to you.believe that excellent resolution/best image quality and good speed are most important to you.

Video Features

The 5D Mark II is ultimately better for video if you’re willing to put some work into it, by doing things like using firmware side-cars (eg, Magic Lantern), upgrading to the most recent Canon firmware, and using some less than user-friendly video controls along with film industry hardware add-ons.

The 7D is better for the casual video user due to its ease-of-use. It has a dedicated video record button, for example, and the same resolutions and frame rates as the 5D Mk II.

If you’re interested in the video capabilities of the 5D Mark II and the 7D (and Rebel T2i), please follow this link to my related article on the subject: Video Features of the Canon EOS 5D Mark II and Canon EOS 7D.

Please Comment! I’m always interested to hear whether my readers find the articles interesting, useless, or otherwise… and more importantly, I’d like to hear your opinions and additional information, even if it’s just  a tidbit. THANKS!

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Craig Volpe

Nice review but in my opinion you completely missed one of the most important advantages of having a full frame camera – shallower depth of field. I know a lot of photographers care primarily about technical image quality, but I think there’s a lot of photojournalists such as myself that care more about isolating their subjects than they do how much chromatic aberration there is or how sharp the corners are. There’s just something magical about the look of a 35 1.4 shot wide open on a full frame camera and you can’t achieve that with a cropped sensor. Personally I jumped ship and got a D3 when the 5DII was announced because of AF performance, but I still have my Canon equipment for backup. Even with L lenses the photos look like crap to me compared to the D3. You might think it’s an unfair comparison cause the D3 is a newer camera, but I recently got a used 5D (mark I) for personal use and the images have that great full frame look to them. To me, the question is not whether to buy a 7D or 5DII, but rather 5DI, 5DII, 1DS, or D3/D700. I think you had a lot of good points in your review but I’m just surprised you didn’t even mention this critical aspect of full frame vs cropped sensors or list it in the full frame advantages column!

Ian

Thanks for some great, balanced information, Matthew. Reading through everything has convinced me to go 7D rather than really splashing out with the 5DII. Saving the extra bucks and getting a more modern camera feels great too!

Matthew Wehrly

Hi Matthew –
I just wanted to say thank you for the great article. The additional commenting has helped as well. I have been on the fence for several months regarding which camera I should use and this review has been a great starting point for my final decision. I was lucky to stumble on your blog. Thanks again and keep up the good work!

Matthew Wehrly

Lori

Thanks for the insightful article. I am currently a part-time, (mostly natural light) portrait photographer. Started a couple of years ago on the side and am now ready to take things to the next level. I’ve been shooting with the Canon Rebel XSi. I have a 50mm 1.4 lens as well as the kit lens that came with my Rebel. I also have the 580EX speedlite and Gary Fong cloud diffuser.
I’m looking to upgrade my camera because the Rebel just isn’t really a “professional” grade camera and I’m wanting to get sharp pictures in low light situations. I do get orders for 20x30s or bigger occasionally.
I’m looking at either the 7D or the 5DMkii. Which do you think is going to be best? I shoot mostly outdoors – families, kids, etc. but I do the occasional indoor newborn session with natural light and may eventually do an in-home studio setup.
Also, if I were to add a lens to my collection, which lens would you recommend? I’m wondering if having a wider lens with larger aperature or a nice zoom lens would help when I’m photographing large families or busy children and don’t always have the time or space to move back far enough. My budget is $2,500 to $3,000.
Would appreciate your thoughts on this!
Thank you,
Lori

Lori

Matthew,
Thanks for your thoughts.
I’m really torn. Not sure I want the 60D. I think I’d rather add to my budget. Can you explain the advantage of a full-frame sensor on the 5D? What I want more than anything is buttery backgrounds and sharp focal points on my subject. This all in natural light settings, very much including low light situations.
A lot of my photography friends and people on forums rave about the 50mm 1.4 as their favorite and primary portrait lens. What would the 85mm 1.8 have as an advantage? Would I need to back up even more? (I’m not sure how to consider this with a full-frame sensor as opposed to the one I currently am working with). Would the 50mm 1.4 not work well with the 5D?
I’ve seen you recommend some other lenses like the 15-85mm – if I kept my 50mm 1.4, would this be a good add on lens? I know it is pricey – but I may have to up my budget to get what I really want. I do seem to do a lot of family portraiture but find it hard to get that buttery background AND still have all faces in focus…maybe that is why I need to reconsider my lens choices.
As you can see I’m still a bit clueless about the techie side of photography – I’m self-taught, coming much more from the artist to photographer side of the matter. However, I do have paying clients and need to ramp things up!
Thanks again for your help,
-Lori

Alfred Lopez

Lori,

The 50mm that you have with your current camera would equate to a 5D Mk II and the 85mm that Matt mentioned. I have both the 7D and the 5D and I must agree with Matt that you won’t sacrifice image quality with either and that the lens is the determining factor.

I have the 85mm f/1.2L Mk II. I use this a lot with the 5D. I have used it with the 7D as well with very good results. I also shoot in low light situations which is why I use the 5D most often. You can still use your 50mm with the 5D, but the 85mm will give you a better bokeh because of compression. Which is why the 85mm lens is given the status of “portrait lens”. You should get the similar, if not the same, results with the 85mm f/1.8 that Matt mentioned. It’s also A LOT cheaper than the f/1.2!

Here’s an example of the 5D Mk II and the 85mm f/1.2L Mk II

http://artistrendition.com/ssp_director/albums/album-6/lg/Alfre.jpg

Lori

Thanks. I’m also having someone recommend the Nikon D700. They just switched from the Canon 5D Mark ii to Nikon. Of course that would mean switching everything out but I guess I could sell anything I couldn’t use.

Not to completely change the subject but what are your thoughts on Nikon?

Alfred Lopez

I haven’t played with Nikons, but I hear that the D700 is a nice camera. I’d probably compare it to the original 5D instead of the Mk II, though, but don’t quote me on that. The only thing I’ve been told (which somebody here correct me if I’m wrong) is that Canon lenses are more rugged than Nikkor lenses. I can’t validate that statement, though.

Regards,

Alfred

Chie Sipin-Bjarenas

Hello. I stumbled upon your site as I researched on which camera to get after my 500D.

The 7D and 5DMII are on top of my list and I need some, no scratch that, a LOT of help on this decision.

I’m looking into starting out with an events photography business (mainly engagement, wedding and children’s bday shoots) and was wondering which one was better for these occasions?

Your input will be much appreciated.

Chie

Chie Sipin-Bjarenas

Thank you for your prompt answer. Your advice is quite helpful.

It gets a little tricky with the choice of lenses, though. If I get a 7D then I can share a lot of lenses between my 500D and 7D, but if I get a 7D now with the thought of maybe getting a 5D later, then I lose all my EF-S lenses when I move to it.

And, then another q comes into mind. Is the difference between a 7D and 500D so great that it justifies the second body? Or should I use the money on better lenses instead?

As always, your informed input is much appreciated.

Chie Sipin-Bjarenas

Thank you very much for your very comprehensive answer. I’ve decided to take your last advice and hold the body decision for a while whilst I set up the lenses I’d like to have.

Keith

To answer Matthews question I would like to say that taking bad pictures is not usually the fault of a camera or lens and I would suggest, and I don’t say this to offend, that you look at your technique with a view to improving that first. These days there is far more control over the image making process than there was 20 or thirty years ago when the negative or slide had to be spot on from the camera, and the need to have a real understanding of the darkroom process was essential to get the best from a negative. Today, much the same applies and a good knowledge of firstly your camera and secondly the processing capabilities of a raw file are as important as owning a particular model or brand of camera. The 7d is a great camera and I have seen cracking shots taken with it. Likewise I have seen some first class images taken with a 40d and even my wife’s Panasonic LX3 point and shoot. Believe me, changing camera and lenses is only part of the trick in getting great images.

Keith

Sorry, I meant Jason’s question.

jason williams

I am sure you are correct… Of course me using a 10 year old camera that was low end when I bought it is not helping me either… :D

Mike

Hi Matthew,

You have been very helpful with lens decision making and was hoping you could help me. I am a facial surgery resident and looking mainly for a macro setup for clinical pics, however also want to use the camera for recreation as well (nothing special just pictures of family and some scenery) I am debating between the 7d and 5d but think that the 7D seems more me.

I am looking at the EF-S 60 mm macro from canon with ringflash for clinical. However I know if I moved up to the 5D I would have to get the EF 100 mm macro 2.8 L. I tried the EF 100 mm, 2.8 L on the 7D since I was told you want to put your money into the lens if anything, however with magnification that the 7D already provides, I would have to stand very far away from patients to get a good shot of the face. Thought on EF-S 60 mm vs EF 100 mm 2.8 L?

I also want to get a good general purpose lens. I was told that the EF-S 15-85 mm would be a great general purpose for the 7D. What are your thoughts on that lens versus the EF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM vs the EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM. My thought was with these two I can upgrade to full frame camera later and use them.

I’d really like to hear what you think?

thanks

Alfred Lopez

Mike,

Just to support Matt about the 7D/60mm combination, here’s a link to an image I took with that equipment…

http://fauxtojournalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/untitled-20101102-113200-0003.jpg

This image is actualy 1024×683 and 72ppi, but it shows a lot of detail. I was very pleased.

Regards,

Alfred

Mike

Thank you both for the great and very informative responses. After trying some lens on the 7D today at a store, it seems 100 mm macro is too much and I would have to stand across the OR to get a facial shot– the 60 mm looked great.

I know they say that the limitation of not having full frame is blowing up the picture to poster size in that you start to see the drawbacks of the smaller sensor– do you find this to be true? Will I have to wait until I go full frame to blow up pictures?

Lastly, great advice on the general purpose lens, and recommending the 17-55 mm? Is there much of a difference compared to the 15-85. I guess I am asking if its worse the price difference?

Thanks again,

Mike

jason williams

Hello Matthew.

First let me say that I am amazed at the amount of effort that you put into your page and your replies. I was totally blown away by the depth of detail in your responses. Newbies like myself sincerely appreciate your efforts.

On to my newbie question…. I am tired of taking bad pictures and missing once in a lifetime photos because the movement or lighting is bad and I end up with an unprintable pic. I am considering the 7D. I also want to grow as a photographer and I believe this camera will allow me to do that. My photography is all over the place, but mainly I enjoy trying to keep up with my 8 year old twin boys and all their antics. I need a camera that can take great indoor pictures, outdoor pics, photo some scenic vistas and wildlife (as I travel with my work) and which would be a great vacation cam. I feel like a photojournalist sometimes since I am often on the move to keep up with the action. Still composed shots are rare but very welcome. The boys are just always moving… I would love to set up a tripod and take some high quality portraits of them indoors and out. I believe the 7D would be a good fit for what I need. Would you agree?

I could really use some lens suggestions as well. A “do it all” lens would be fantastic but probably unrealistic…lol. I need a good “shoot from the hip” lens for walking around with them and a good indoor lens for all that happens inside the home and school. Something with some reach would be nice as well for school concerts and baseball games. I came across a 7D “package” that includes the new Zoom Wide Angle-Telephoto EF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM Autofocus Lens and the new 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM Autofocus Lens. What would you think of that one for my needs? Would you think the 24-105 could take care of 90% of my shooting? I would probably like something that could handle indoor lighting without always having to blaze away with the flash. Could you suggest an add on flash and filters too? I photo our labs at times and ended up with a nice lens scratch last year when I was doing a close up of a puppy. The package my be overkill and any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you in advance for your insights and help. I look forward to hearing your thoughts on the matter.

Best regards,

Jason

jason williams

Hello Again.

Thank you for the response. I have to admit that I am totally overwhelmed now. It’s great to get an unbiased opinion though. I especially appreciated the lens advice…. something a salesperson would never tell you.

I tried a Nikon D7000 today and thought it was really cool. I also tried a 5D Mark II and it seemed great as well. Of course compared to the junk I have been using, even a W-M camera would seem nice…lol

I absolutely want to get a camera that will let my skills grow to fit it. That is the whole idea. A year or two from now, I want to be able to proudly call myself a “Pro-sumer”!!! lol. Currently though, I am at the point where I wish someone would say, “Buy this camera, these lens, and a couple filters and go out and shoot till you learn how to use it”. I just want to cover all the bases, i.e indoor, outdoor, action, static, and various lighting and avoid too much overlap. I’d like to get it all in a bundle to get a good deal too rather than pick up a lot as I go. I am thinking Nikon D7000, or one of the two Canons I mentioned earlier…. HELP!!!!! :) I’d really like to find a lens that would cover 80-90% of what I do just so I could avoid all the lens changes and just go out a click away at whatever grabs my attention. If anybody wants to throw out some ideas to put in the shopping cart, I sure would appreciate it. Cheers. Jason

jason williams

Thank you again for another very informative reply.

I would like to keep this whole little endeavour under $2500 if that would be possible, under 2k would suit me even better. At the same time though, I would rather fork over something that will keep me happy for the next couple years rather than go cheap and 6 months down the road, regret it and wish I had a different setup…. I’m a firm believer in quality paying for itself in the long run.

Regarding the lens… I don’t see myself shooting huge pics. 11×15’s are the biggest pics that I have in the house. The one lens that does a lot really appeals to me. Them maybe I could pick up cheaper 35mm 1.8 or something for low light action and that sort of thing. I don’t like lugging around a huge bag of glass and like changing them out even less. It just seems that time changing could be better spent snapping away and it’s a good way to allow dust in if you’re not careful while changing them out frequently outdoors. On the other hand, I’m an engineer and the devil is in the details… How compromised would the shots be when shooting for smaller size prints?

The filter answer surprised me. I was thinking protection more than anything. I like snapping pics of the boys and the labrador pups and a closeup of a puppy got me a nice scratch on another lens on my old camera. The thought of that on a 2000k lens makes me cringe…

I totally agree with the local shop philosophy. I can not stand wmart and the big box stores. I paid more for my mountain bike at the local bike store, but the service was and is worth it. I don’t care for the local camera store here, they just want to sell, sell, sell and they do not seem that informed either… That is a turn off for me. I found a site called Grand Central Photo on the net. Their prices seem too good on a lot of stuff… it makes me wonder. I may go back to the local camera store after all.

I continue to enjoy and appreciate the unbiased information you are providing. I’d hope to be able to return the favor some day. Cheers. Jason

Alfred Lopez

Hi Matt,

I have a B+W F-Pro filter on my 85mm f/1.2L. So you would remove the filter and use the lens as is?

Thanks,

Alfred

jason williams

Thank you again Matthew.

I tried the 60d this afternoon and just did not like it. I don’t know why, but it just did not click with me like the 7D. I believe the camera for me is the 7D. I’m biting the bullet and adding to my “budget” on this to get better gear right off since it just seems to make the most sense. I want to get the 7D and one really good lens, then pick up another in a month or so to cover all my bases. I just don’t see doing much of anything over the 250mm lengths. I see a lot more close up work, outdoor pics of boys and dogs, and a lot of indoor family and school stuff. The 17-55 sounds awesome. Some really sharp top notch portraits of my boys sounds really great. Which lens would you go with on the 7D to compliment the 17-55?
I am totally taking your advice on the glass over the lens and the battery grip. Thank you for that and the other info.
If I don’t hear from you, safe travels and I sincerely appreciate your help with this.

Jason

PS- Would you recommend a flash for this cam for when the 17-55 needs it?

jason williams

Thanks again for all the great advice. I hope you have a successful and safe trip. :)

Jason

BailaRain

Hi,
I’m considering buying the 5D classic used but I can also afford the 7D through Canon’s loyalty program. The 5Dc used runs a little less though, around $800. The 7D is $1119 new. I could splurge for a used 5D Mark II on e-bay for around $1800, but then I would have to save up the next 6 months for some prime lenses. (I do have one nice EF lens already)

This will be the only body I will own for a while, so I’m worried about buying lower technology with the 5Dc.
(and not having video is kind of a bummer)
I’m a little concerned about the AF problems I hear with it, and the dust on the sensor problems as well.
But if those are minor issues, then I won’t worry about it.

I’m a hobbyist now, but going to spend the next year preparing for professional work.
I love taking photos of children and the outdoors. I also want a camera that performs well in low light.
Sports will not be my focus, but I do love taking photos of insects, birds, landscapes, etc.

I don’t plan on enlarging photos on print to more than 11 x 14, and wondering if the debate over IQ between 5D and 7D is only in extra large prints?
Or is there something special you see with 5D images that give it an edge, even on a computer screen?
I was so impressed by the photos of my friend who has the 5Dc (she’s an amateur just starting out), but maybe it’s the artist behind the lens and not her camera body. There seems to be something that just wows me more with those photos over the crop sensor cams.
I don’t know what it is, but something looks slightly fake on many of the digital photos I see from the crop sensors. Maybe it’s the post processing.

Between the 3 bodies, which would you recommend? Or would you recommend something else?
Is the 5Dc still going to win the 7D in IQ, even though it’s older? Is it worth sacrificing the video and updates to get that special look I want? Or can the crop sensors do the same?
Thanks!

Simon Beaven

Hi Chris, Australia calling, Im a retired printer getting back into photography I used to have basic Nikon SLR in the film days, none of it left now. Im starting afresh, and planning some courses at Uni to upgrade my skills. I have had experience with early DSLR in the printing business. My quandary is the 5D Mk 2 or 7D, my objective is to photo the grand kids not to active or vigorous, hand held and then progress into landscape buildings etc which is my real interest. Im leaning toward the 5D with the kit lenses 24-105 F4 to start, with battery grip 2 filters and 430 flash and 16 gb extreme sandisk card, I already have a good solid tripod (Velbon). The economics dare I say it is not the main issue however Im not wealthy but I want the best for my objectives. My final question is can I still use the 5D for hand held shots as I will have to take shots in this mode while travelling, I donot want 2 camera bodies at this stage.
I will be shooting mainly Raw.
Simon

Chris

Hi I’m up grading from a 10d, I know either camera will be a big improvement but not sure about which one. The article is great and given me a lot to think about. I’m branching out into studio and portrate etc..but will also need it for family photos with kids. I’m worried about the speed of the auto focus etc.. of the 5dmkii. I haven’t got and L lens so not sure if the extra picture quality will be worth it or not. Any help would be great. Thanks

Chris

Sorry posted this twice

Chris

Hi thanks for taking the time of this artical it has given me alot to think about. I’m still can’t make up my mind though, I’m up grading from a 10d and can’t make up my mind. I’m hoping to branching into studio work and portrates etc.. with close up too and landscape which the 5dmkii would be great for, but the rest will be hand held normal everyday stop of family. Would I be better off with the 7d if the 5dmkii wouldn’t keep up with the kids?

Chris

Thanks Mathew, as i’m just starting my busness am thinking that the cheaper 7d might be the best as I have to buy other things as well. If it will do more or less the same job it the extra pixals may not be enough of a reason to pay the extra.

Chris

Hi Matthew I’ve just thought, I have a sigma digital lens which is built for digital camera’s taking into account the 1.6X crop. If I got the 5Dmkii with it’s full frame sensor, any idea if it would change the anger of the lens?

Chris

Thanks Mathew, have just looked on the sigma web site and it says the DG lens are “large-aperture lenses with wide angles and short minimum focusing distances. With an abundance of peripheral illumination, they are ideal lenses for Digital SLR Cameras whilst retaining suitability for traditional 35mm SLRs.” What do you think? don’t want to spend the money and have to get another lens :(

Chris

Sorry Mathew i’ve answered my own question it’s not a digital lens at all its a standard 35mm lens. Do I feel stupid. The 5dmkii seams the best now unless I use the savings to buy another lens : “

chris

Hi Matthew can’t find my last reply? anyway in answer to your question the lens is a sigma 24-70mm f2.8 DG EX aspherical lens, it is a bit old but the images are great.

Alfred Lopez

Chris,

I agree with Matt’s response. I have both cameras and I’ve used the 7D for studio work with great results. I now use the 5D for that and weddings, but I sometimes fall back on the 7D because it’s such a fast and accurate camera as far as the AF is concerned. The images from both cameras are almost indiscernible in print unless you blow up the images by 200% or so. Other than that, I primarily use the 5D for weddings because of the low light capabilities, but have no problems switching back to the 7D. Get the right lens and everything will be ok!

Regards,

Alfred

Chris

Thanks Alfred, I think I’m coming round the the idea of the 7D more the money if nothing less. I’m intersted through about how large you were talkng about blowing the images up to?

Alfred Lopez

Chris,

I was thinking about 30″x20″ or larger. Though, my daughter blew up a picture I took of her for her engagement that size and you can clearly see noise (looked like a nice film grain, though). However, this picture was from an 8MP Rebel XT. When I zoom in a picture in Lightroom, for example, there is a very slight difference in image quality between the 5D and 7D, but it’s negligible in prints of 8″x10″, 11″x8″ (like some wedding books in landscape) or anything below the 30″x20″ size.

You won’t go wrong with the 7D in any of the areas of your photography. I use it primarily for wildlife like birds or when shooting from a moving vehicle (like the “safari trips” at the theme parks) or sports. I am using the 5D more often now because I’ve been shooting models, weddings and portraits and I kinda have the “full-frame fever” at the moment [smile], but I’ve used (and continue to use) the 7D for this kind of photography as well.

Here you’ll find pictures taken with both cameras.

— Alfred

Keith Towers

An update on my position regarding 5dMKII vs 7d. Well I went with the MkII. I had a look at the 7d raw files side by side with the raw files from my classic 5d and there was no doubt afterwards in my mind which camera I was going for. Whilst the 7d is a great camera and worthy of praise, the MkII, now in my bag, is a cracker and I am very pleased I made the choice that I did. It was a difficult shout but you have to weigh up what it is that you need from a camera. If it’s sports, or shooting kids at play then the 7d is probably the camera for you. If you want top notch IQ with oodles of detail, especially in landscape work, then the MkII might be a little sedate, but it is second to none in delivering the goods in my view.

amgsoft

Thank you for the ballanced article. I’am considering upgrading my current 500d to one of these two cameras.

500d is an excellent camera, which can take incredible pictures and is good enough for 90% of what I shoot, but I find it limited when it comes to the ISO noise. Sometimes I take pictures of paintings indoors and I like to take low-key pictures. Using the flash, or amateur lightning equipment, will not help, as it alters the colours.

Can you recommend a good choice of camera in this case? I have no need for fast camera, I don’t shoot sport. I have 2 EF (50mm/f1.4, 70-300) and 2 EF-S lenses (17-55/f2.8, 18-200). I ‘am aware that upgrading to 7D will not bring me the same ISO as 5d mrkII, however 7D has other features which are handy (like the built-in flash for when travelling). The 5D is also considerably more expensive, as my EF-S 17-55/f2.8 will not fit leaving me with only the 50mm/f.1.4 and 70-300 (70-200 will be the next project), so I will probably need to invest in a new 24-70/f2.8 lens. Or is it worth waiting for the new 5D mark iii camera?

Alfred Lopez

5D Mark III? Really? Are you sure it’s not the 1D or the 1Ds?

Henry

I really enjoy your article. It was very insightful and had me leaning on going to 5dmii. I wanted to ask a few more questions to be sure.

I mainly shoot pictures of fast moving kids, events, and landscape. I rarely do it on a tripod. I have had a 20d since it first came out. I have very few lens since having 2kids are a big money pit. I have canon efs 10-22mm, 50mm, 85mm, and tamron 28-75mm.

I am finally at a point where I can spend some money on my hobby again. I was leaning on getting the 5dmii since I already have the 20d. I also wanted to buy a 70-200mm lens as well.

My choices are 7d with 70-200 f2.8 II or 5d with the 70-200mm F4.

Or just get the lens and wait for the 5dmarkiii (q2/2011)

Please share your insight with me.

Henry

I would love to get your insigt.

lal

Hello brother

Can you suggest which one is good for my plant and flower photography 7d or 5d mark2

Keith Towers

I have now had the opportunity to play around with some 7D raw files that a mate of mine took with his camera at 100 iso. I was impressed, but to be honest, and not at all biased, the full-frame raw files from the classic 5D still had the edge on my monitor (My computer was custom built for me 3 months ago and my monitor is suitable for gaming and photo editing). I guess that is to be expected though considering the difference in image area size. At 100% the 7D raw files had much more noise in the sky than the 5D classic, which ultimately reflects on image detail at larger print sizes. I think the choice between the 5DMkII and the 7D has to be down to what type of images you take and what you are going to do with them. For me the final decision has to be the 5DMkII because as a landscape camera it would be very difficult to find an APS-C CMOS sensor that can equal, or better full-frame for that purpose and most of what I do is landscape. I have also used the classic 5D for portrait and candid photography without much of a problem. At the end of the day there is no real comparison between the two cameras in my view. They are different beasts for different purposes. Most cameras can do just about anything you want from them to do, although some cameras excel over others in certain areas. It has a lot to do with glass, budget and technique rather than the ergonomics of a particular camera.

Good luck and thanks for a great article. It will save a lot of people going nuts over this conundrum.

Randy G.

Matthew,

Thank you. I am so glad I found this article.It answers a lot of the questions I had and will go a long way towards saving me some money.. I hope. I have been using a 20D for years and am now going pro and need to step up. I was somewhat undecided between these very two cameras, and since I am focusing (sorry) on equine photography I think that the 7D will be the way to go. I am hoping that my Sigma 24-70 EX DG f2.8 will suffice for a while.

Keith Towers

Thanks for your reply, Matthew. My real question was: should I move to the 7d from the classic 5d, or go the extra mile for the 5d MKII? My choice is going to be down to two factors, eg, economics and the logistics of selling current gear. If I go the 5d MkII route I will need to sell only my 5d body and will have to add quite a few £s to it to purchase. If I go the 7d route I will have to sell all my gear including 24-105 and filters etc and will actually be a few quid in pocket. My biggest fear is loss of DOF if I go the 7d route, or am I being paranoid about this. I am an amateur of 30 years standing and take a vast amount of different images including b/w street. Will I notice much loss in quality between the 5d and 7d, both in prints and raw files. I have been spoilt this past four years with the creaminess of the 5d files. I am not a great lover of the video side, so this is neither here or there for me. So, when it comes to the crunch – 7d with EFS 15-85 or 5dMkII with my 24-105. Canon don’t make it easy for amateur photographers do they?

Keith Towers

Great article. I am about to upgrade from my original 5d and am at a rock and a hard place between the 7d and 5d MkII. I am blowing hot and cold between the two at the moment. If I go for the 7d I would like to use the EF-s 15-85 with it. What is your opinion of that lens? I use the 24-105 L with my current 5d, but this lens is not without its optical faults either and I think the only way to get the best from full-frame is to use primes. Can you help me make up my mind please.

Frank

Great article – you answered almost all of my questions. My main photo subject is high school football, mostly at night. The 7D sounds like the better choice for me. I’ve been shooting with a 30D for the last four years. I use the L series 70-200 (not IS) and 580EX flash. My photos are primarily for display on the web so resolution isn’t really much of an issue. Where I hope the 7D can help is autofocus speed & reliability, and to some extent better noise performance at high ISO’s than my 30D.

Neil Scott

Hi, thanks for taking the time to post this article, please may i ask a question on the 5d mk 11, I do a lot of vr 360 panorama work mainly outside but i am now moving into more indoor work which requires higher resolution and less noise than my olympus e620 can provide so I am looking at the 5d Mk 11 as a full frame camera.

This will also leave me with less shots to take because of the sensor size, I also want to do a lot more hdr as this will give me better lighting that using artificial means and i would buy a Promote Control to program these. (not available for olympus) Do you have any opinion on this camera for this type of work , Thanks Neil

Arun Alison

which is the best cam….?
EOS 5D Mark II or EOS 7D.
I am totally confused, 5D Mark IIs have distortion?

I had seen some full size 21 MPxl sample images of 5D Mark II at web… best fit View is ok, but actual size view is not impressive. You can also see this samples at http://www.steves-digicams.com/camera-reviews/canon/eos-5d-mark-ii-slr/canon-eos-5d-mark-ii-slr-review-19.html

http://www.steves-digicams.com/2009_reviews/canon_5dmk2/samples/IMG_0298.JPG

Jixou

Hello Matthew ,
Interesting article,i have the 5D (not mark ll ) and im having problems with high iso noise as im a wedding and nightlife photographer,so plz wats ur advice, should i appgrade to the 7D ? is full frame difference is an issue?and what about the auto white balance difference ?
Thank you so much

Doug Barry-Martin

I too have a 5D and it it is great in low light but I can see how you might need more from it. Therefore you may need to go to a Nikon D700 (great at low light but not quite the image quality of the 5D). Or the king of low light cameras is the expensive and heavy D3x. Of course the 5D MkII is a step forward from the 5D and is probably the logical choice. I would expect the 7D to be noisier than all of these.
If I am unhappy with the noise from my 5D I apply a Photoshop Noise Reduce filter at strength 5 / details 17 / color 22 / sharpen / 16. Then add 11 to 22% smart sharpen at 0.7 radius. If the noise is heavy then apply more strength. Works very well and gives a nice slightly soft focus which is great for weddings.

Vinnie Valle

I really enjoyed your review and all the Q&A about these two camera. Like everyone else here I’m ready to purchase one or the other. Even with all the input here I still am having trouble deciding. Cost is not an issue. I have 5 L lenses starting with an old 17mm-35mm going up to 70-200m F4. I only have one lens which won’t work (10-22mm?).

I guess my question concerns shooting hand held. Most of my shots are hand held. From what I am reading here the advantages of the 5D are lost shooting this way. Is that so?

Vinnie

Vinnie

Won’t there be an equal drop in resolution from the 7D?

The only IS lens I have is the 24-105mm and I think I’d be using the 17-35mm a lot to make up for the loss of my dear 10-22mm. So if I go with the 5D I guess I’ll have to start thinking about traveling again with my monopod. It is not always practical to travel with a tripod as well.

It seems the advantages of the 7D are speed and AF. Since, I believe, speed here refers to burst mode then this is not important for me. I think the 5D will be fast enough for me. What I am not sure about is the implications concerning AF. I rarely shoot sports. I did shoot a Daytona 500 once, with a rebel, and got great shots one at a time. I never had trouble shooting with my 40D and I assume the 5D should be better here. So where is the advantage in the AF of the 7D for me?

So perhaps I have reasoned myself into the 5D. Here’s a little more detail of what I shoot. Is there anything here to suggest the 7D is a better choice?

I shoot people, places and things for my enjoyment, though these pictures end up being shown to my customer base. For work I shoot my product line for catalogs and presentations. And speaking of presentations it would not surprise me that one day I would to do these on 120″ screens. I also run slideshows at our parties on our 60″ plasma.

Most of my shooting usually takes place on business trips. My work takes me to Morocco three times a year (central / mountains/ or dessert). During these trips I stop over in England and hit south west coastal areas for another week or two. On these trips I shoot landscapes, architecture, people, and fossils (my business).

I spend 3 weeks a years in Italy (Alps / Coastal / City). Here I am stationary with computer and as many lens as I choose. I shoot landscapes, architecture, people.

That’s the scope, more or less, of my shooting. I rarely travel without my camera so pictures are taken throughout my US travels as well.

So maybe the question comes down to will the 7D shoot better hand-held than the 5D?

Thanks for your time

Vinnie

Your comment in the third paragraph brings up a point which I do not recall seeing before concerning the two cameras. That being the 7D w/ 10-22mm lens vs. the 5D w/ 16-35mm. For me, anyway, I shoot with the 10-22mm 35% of the time. So I expect the D5 combo, hand held, should result in better photos than the D7 combo!

Is the low light performance an issue with the 5D MII? One of the fun things I planned to explore with either camera was low light situations. I thought the 5D had the advantage here? I have a 50mm 1.4 lens and even thought of adding the 1.2L to my bag just for this reason. There are situations where I shoot and flash is not permitted. There are times when I want to take pictures without the annoyance of flash.

John

Thanks Matthew for the great article on a subject that I have been looking for an answer for, for a long time.
I am trying to decide on what camera to purchase.
I mainly shoot sports (my kids, friends and relatives), and I have done some portrait, landscape and have shot as a 2nd photographer at a couple of weddings.
I have a canon 20d at the moment and my lenses are 50/1.8, 16-35/2.8L II, 24-70/2.8L, & 70-200/2.8L IS. I invested in lenses over the years as I knew then that they would be the ones I would hold on to as body’s change all the time.
The reason I am having a difficult decision on which camera as I would consider both the 7d & 5d mk II is that I am also thinking of maybe getting just one camera and making that the 1d mkiv.
If I was to buy only one camera between the 7d and 5d mk II which would you suggest?
Everything is telling me that the 7d is the camera for me due to taking sports pictures but IQ points to the 5d mk II for portraits, landscapes etc.
I must admit that the portrait shoot I did with the 20d came out fantastic as I had good light outside and put together a great series of photos so I think that the 7d would be even better than the 20d.
I feel the 5d mk II would be too slow for sports.
One other concern I have is how good is the weather sealing on these cameras? It has rained on me a couple of times shooting sports.
Thanks again for the article and I am looking forward to your reply.

John

Thanks for the reply Matthew.

I do shoot in bursts sometimes, but I do try to get the shot with the 1st click of the shutter as 5fps is not much more than 3.9fps.

I can get the 5dmkii at an incredible price which should be a no brainer then but I think that the 5dmkiii may be around the corner….. or 12 months away. If only I had a crystal ball :)

Thanks again for the reply. I will take everything into consideration and hope to make my decision soon.

Doug Barry-Martin

The weight of the camera may be a factor when shooting sports. The 7D is 820g, the 5DII 810g, the 50D is 730g (all without battery). The 5D will usually need a heavier and larger lens to give the same range as a lens for an ASCP sensor. Have you considered the 50D?

Gabby

Hi Matthew,

It’s so generous of you to take so much time giving advice! I’m also having difficulty deciding between the 7D and 5DMKII. One thing I am sure of is that I will be purchasing the Canon L Series 24-70 f2.8. The bulk of my shooting is pet photography and I’m now in the process of setting up a proper business with it. I’ve been shooting on the 7D and had my heart set on purchasing my own until I got hung up on the APS-C versus the full frame sensor.

Nearly all of the pro pet shooters are on the 5DMKII. I’m now leaning toward it because of the advantages specific to this niche. I’m always shooting in natural light wide open, I love the wide angle look – the wider the better, good bokeh is very important, and my last concern is more of a future issue. Eventually I want to offer canvases as a product so optimal resolution will be crucial. But it’s not like the 7D is some kind of slouch. I like shooting on it now and it’s also got the advantage of the 19 point AF system among others.

Starting out cost is obviously a factor and getting the 5D is going to mean I have to cut corners or go without other gear. I’m also worried about being that beginner that longs for ever more expensive gear thinking it’s going to improve their work. But I can’t escape thinking that the full frame sensor will be my best option, especially in the long run. I’d love to know what you think!

Gabby

Hi Matthew,

Thanks so much for taking the time to respond to me! I think you’re totally right about the advantage of the 7D’s AF system. All of the smart people that I keep asking tell me to just go with the 7D for my needs. Alas I’m still hung up on the sensor though.

I’ve got a little bit of time left before I’ve got to commit. Why does Canon have to make this such a hard decision?!?!

Lars

Wonderful article and thank you very much for the details on the two different cameras! Looking at these cameras, and I wish I could afford to buy 1 of each!! However, overall cost being an important consideration, I can only choose 1. Trying to decide is the dilemma I am having!!

As for photographic style, I shoot different types. Primarily I do sports action, landscape / seascape, macro, and street photography. Thus, I can use the features of both cameras in everything I do.

For sports action, it is not ultra critical for me to get the super fast fps that the 7D can do. When I do sports action, I take a lot of shots, but I take my time taking my shots, and this is why speed between shots is not such a factor.

For my lenses, I only use a few having sold off some of my primes a couple of years ago. What I am using now is the Canon 70-200 F4 L zoom (non IS as I do not need IS and it saved me money!), a Canon F2.8 20mm Prime, and a Sigma 24-70 mm EX DG f2.8, which is my main workhorse! I have had the Sigma for 8 years now and bought it originally for my old EOS D60, and absolutely love it!! I am getting ready to send it in for service just to have it checked out, but it has never given me problems

My current cameras that I use are an EOS 20D, and an EOS 3 film (I am sure that when I move up from my old 20D, I will see a tremendous difference!! ) These lenses work great with my current cameras so I am wondering how they might work with the 7D or 5D?

I am leaning towards the 7D, but keep thinking how nice landscape / seascape photos would be with the 5D. Actually, the only reason I am considering the 5D is for that type of photography. I have actually considered buying an older use 5D instead of the 5 D Mark II. It is a tough decision, but I think I am going to go with the 7D for now and look at adding an additional lens to my current outfit.

If you get a chance, I would really like your feedback on how my current set of lenses would work with either the 7D or 5D, and could you recommend another good zoom lens at a medium price that would compliment these cameras, but would still work nicely on my EOS 3 or 20D?

Lars

Hi Matthew,

Sorry for the slow reply back. I wanted to take a moment and thank you for the feedback and it was very helpful!! I have since ordered the 5D mark II and should be getting it any day now. I am really looking forward to it and I am already scouting out some areas to shoot!!

I hear you on the film processing! The last time I used film for a major shoot was a Taekwondo Tournament in 2005 and I took 18 rolls using…if I can remember correctly…Fuji Press 800? Anyway…it was quite expensive!!

That is the primary reason I like keeping my EOS 3 around, as I also love to shoot in BW. I like to use the Ilford HP5 Plus 400 as it gives me good contrast and I can use it in my street life photography. Luckily, I go back and forth to Manila Philippines about 2 to 3 times a year and I can get the BW developed for about 4 dollars a roll!!

But your right…it is becoming more and more difficult as well as more expensive to shoot in film, but it is fun every now and then to go back to it :)

Regards

Lucian

Hello Matthew,
I have a 40d with 17 2.8, EF 50 1.4, EF 24-105, EFS 10-22 and two Leica R telephotos (135mm 2.8 and 70-200 4) I like the shallow DOF of the EF 50mm and the wide end of the 10-22 , and i,m in love of the colors, sharpness and dof of the Leicas.
I shoot almost everything (not pro), but rarely sports or macro. If i would have one specific need it would be taking pics of my kids on the stage.
I m not satisfied with the 40d in low light + decent shutter speeds
I feel i need the 5dII (and i’m afraid that even completely satisfied with the 7d now, i will still want a full frame the next year) , but
– greater financial sacrifice (maybe it will get cheaper used until the end of the year?)
– no onboard flash (for fill flash, indoors and focus assist); i do have a speedlite 430ex
– autofocus?
So, please lead me in my choice

Simon Ng

Hello Matthew,
I am just like everyone else. Trying to decide a 7D and 5DMII. I currently shoot events with a 400D, with a Tamron 17-50 F2.8 and a Nissin Di622 flash. I am currently doing events for free of charge to brush up my experience and skills. But organizers has expressed their concerns with my images and their own images for having a 400D guy walking around in the event. The professionals that they hired are carrying either 5DMII or D700.

Sadly, organizers compared my pictures against the pro. So they find my pictures a bit warm and white balance seems off. So they begin to wonder whether giving me anymore chances makes anymore sense or is just a big waste of time.

I have talked to many people. Some suggested upgrade the body, while some suggested get a EF 24-70 F2.8 and keep the tamron for wide angle work.

I can afford the 5D Mark II but I will struggle to buy a decent lens. Similarly to 7D. I can afford the 7D but the only good lens that I can buy is the 17-40 F4L. Any advice is appreciated

Simon Ng

Hey Matthew. Just an update. I have decided to NOT to buy any new camera bodies. Having an high ISO and faster FPS is really a want than a need. Since most my pictures are taken between ISO 100 and ISO 800. I dont think I need to spent the money on a new body as the 400D is already doing well in that ISO region. The AF might not be as good but I would rather blame my skills than the AF.

Furthermore, I have managed to hack the 400D. So it is now able to shoot at ISO 125 160 etc. I even have spot metering!

By the way, I do need some tips on setting manual white balance. Maybe you can write about it? I have always wonder how to get the best result by using the white card and how frequent do I need to “update” the white balance, especially in the ever changing lights from the window or a hall that has a mixture of lights in different location. Or whether I need to shoot the white card with flash if I am using flash etc. I would really appreciate it if you can give some hints.

NATE

Hi Matthew,
I am currently caught in the middle of whether to buy the 7D or 5D markII. The photos i take mainly involve me holding the camera rather than using a tri/mono pod. Photos are mainly taken of family members both still and moving, sports and moving nature photos aswell. as landscape. My situation is this- i can afford the 5D but may struggle to get a good enough lens to get the most out of the 5D. With your experience and knowledge would you suggest the 5D or the 7D using the left money id spend on the 5D to buy a good lense to suit the 7D?

Lastly, what would be your suggestions for lenses to suit the 7D for my needs?

Many thanks for your time.

Nate

NATE

Hi Matthew,

Thankyou so so much for your advice it was extremely helpful. Studying up on all the lenses you suggested im quite set on getting the EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM Lens, the resolution on alot of the samples ive seen are great which is what im looking for.

Thankyou very much once again, and yes i will let you know how it all goes once im back from my trip, i may just post a few photos up here :D

adi

Hi. Thank you for your informative review. Looking for my first DSLR, I’ve pretty much narrowed the selection down to these two and your comparison did give me some extra points to consider before making my choice. Having said that, I still can’t seem to make up my mind. I was hoping that maybe if I give you a run-down of my style, needs and budget, that maybe you could give me your angle on my dilemma or at least point me towards some further reading material to help me better understand what the pay-offs and trade-offs are.

I am a visual artist. I have a BA at an art and design school. For years I have been working with a film medium format Mamiya 6 camera (6×6) with Mamiya 50mm lens which produces beautiful super sharp images and medium format Holga which I really love because of it’s low-quality build which results in really interesting, unpredictable trashy interferences and light leaks which no photoshop artist could ever think up.

The majority of my images are portraits – either full body, or from the waist up. Sometimes I crop the image to get just a head-shot portrait. Other images could be a house, a garden, an interior of a room – no vast landscapes and no extra close shots (can’t really with the 50mm Mamiya lens). 95% of my work is done in a rather controlled environment, meaning I can more or less take my time, take light readings, work with my subject and usually I can re-shoot several times if necessary. My style is not so much a “capture the moment” kind of thing where you impulsively whip out the camera and shoot something before it goes away 2 seconds later. Yet, I do feel that I am at a point where I would like to be a bit more spontaneous and cut down preparation time before shooting, while still preserving my original style.
I use only available light and sometimes a camera-mounted flash for some fills. In fact, I kind of like over-doing the flash just a bit giving it a kind of obvious presence.
The final product has been either a Lambda print or printed with at a specialist who does very high quality ink-jet prints. The size of the prints differs from 40×40 cm to 120×120 cm.
The only digital camera I’ve ever used is a simple point and shoot Canon PowerShot S90 for everyday stuff.
My reasons for wanting to get a digital SLR are (not in any particular order):
1. An option for quicker work as opposed to my Mamiya
2. The option to immediately see the image I shot. I work somewhat intuitively (as opposed to technically) and seeing the image could be really helpful for making small adjustments.
3. I think that today is an era for digital images and I being one who has only worked with negatives and chemicals – I am very curious to dive into the digital realm.
4. It’s becoming harder and harder to find high quality labs that work with film and prices for film, development, contacts and high-end scans are climbing. I am pretty sure that in the long-run having a digital camera as part of my working kit will save me money.

I will also need to purchase a lens for either of the two Canon DSLRs and I’m also a bit undecided about that as well. Being so used to the Mamiya 6×6 frame, I’m not sure if I should stick with a 50mm lens (although the frame size will be smaller), or should I go for something like 24mm which I think should more or less give me the same diagonal field of view as the 50mm on my Mamiya. Then of course there is the option of getting the 24-70mm zoom lens which will of course give me the flexibility of choosing focal length, but at the cost of extra glass meaning losing a stop or two and loss in sharpness (not sure how significant). Plus, its another half kilo to lug around. From my research I’ve understood that I should be looking at the L series lenses.

I’ll also need a flash to mount on the camera. I haven’t had time yet to research flashes yet. I have a Metz 32 MZ-3 which I use on my Mamiya. I have no idea if it can be used on any of the relevant Canon models.

And finally, my budget. I have about $4000 to spend tops. If the more expensive camera is worth it, I would rather compromise at other ends – meaning possibly getting a 2nd hand or refurbished lens of flash for example (… I really need to check to see if my Metz flash is good with either the 7D or 5D…).

Sorry for the long post :)

Jean

Dear Matthew
I am an amateur having owned a EOS D40 for 3 yrs. I have the kit lense (18-55) an ef 70-300 is usm and ef 28 – 135 is. I hope you have the time to clarify my decision from your previous advice to other writers.
I love to travel light, taking pictures on my walks, on holiday, of family etc. I will take the bag with all my photogrphic possessions if I am not walking and able to access the bag without actually carrying it for miles.
I grabbed the shots http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=129638&id=539488252&l=d038bce2ae using my 70-300 at 300, 1000 sec at 5.6. I know they are not perfect by any means but I have them at A4 on the wall and they look attractive.
I take the 28-135 out with me on holiday as it covers a lot of situations, and try n ot to feel too upset when I need the longer lens.
An example of my 28-135 at 28 mm with built in flash. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4281253&l=8cecf95363&id=539488252 and the crop http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4281255&l=133f765f59&id=539488252 which looked much better printed out from the raw file.
I want to improve my output and my final question is
with my limited ability would I improve my output with either the 5D 11 or 7D, as I do a lot of hand held stuff, with the occasional use of a monopod I think the 7D would be the one. Do you agree?
Thankseversomuch for your time
Jean

Jean

Dear Matthew
Thanks for the reply, Just to mention the typo, the camera is a 400d. Senior moment, probably the cause of most of my problems.
I am a bit cash strapped for one of the lovely lens, but was hoping a camera with better perfomance on higher ISO settings would make a difference and mean I could muddle along with the ones I have. Would love the occasional movie capability which I miss.
I will try and spend time improving my technique with flash, it’s something that’s been on the list of to do’s.
Thanks again, how on earth do you find the time to be so helpful to us all.
Jean

Brian

This is a great comparison and really helped me out. Cost is a factor for me and I want to upgrade my equipment over time. I am just a hobbyist and shoot mostly sports – outdoor family stuff on a large field (soccer/lacrosse/ultimate Frisbee) – so the body type that makes sense for me seems to be the 7d (which will save me some $$$’s :)… Should I upgrade the body – or the lens first? I currently have an older rebel XT and the main lens I use for the sports shoots is the EF 70-300 1:4-5.6 IS USM… I also have the 28-105 1:3.5-4.5 II USM for “everyday” shooting (which has been very good to me). I have been thinking of the Canon 70-200 f2.8L IS II USM (with an “extender” – either the 1.4X’s or the 2X’s)… so which should come first? the lens or the body?

Thanks again for your GREAT comments and keeping it so even hobbyist can understand :)

Alfred Lopez

Hi Matthew,

I’ve purchased the 7D (waiting to arrive) and would like to know (in your opinion) which lens should I use with it. I am going to do event photography with the occasional portraiture and art photography (go to my site for samples of what I aspire to do ). I currently shoot (and you’re going to laugh) with a Digital Rebel XT. I wanted to upgrade to the 5D, but cost is a factor to purchase an upgrade in the near future (I could wait a few more month and save up for the 5D). I know that the 7D will be light-years ahead of the Rebel XT so I’m not dissappointed……yet. I just want to get the most out of the 7D before I upgrade yet again to a full-frame-esque camera.

Regards,

Alfred

Alfred Lopez

Thanks for the reply!

Wow, you can sure make a guy feel emasculated!

I currently have a Sigma DG 28-300 f:3.5-6.3 lens that I use almost exclusively aside from the kit lens. It was cheap, but it’s been good to me, though I suspected that it would be an inferior lens for the 7D. I assume you would recommend trading up.

Thanks!

Alfred Lopez

Matt,

Thanks for the advice. I just got my 7D a few days ago and I must say that his camera has more configuration options than a Japanese car! Anyway, I was able to get the right configuration for my use. The Sigma that I have is now “worse off” because of the higher mega pixels: the softness is more noticeable now unless I’m in bright light. As an interim, would you suggest getting the kit lens (18-135mm) or should I stay with this lens until I can afford the 70-200 f2.8 bad boy that you mentioned earlier?

Thanks again!

–Alfred

Alfred Lopez

Matt,

Oook, so I used the 70-200 f/2.8L (not II) for 2 model shoots and a wedding. I also use the 16-35 f/2.8L. Beautiful pictures! Ok. Here’s the deal. I have some cash to buy up to three lenses: 24-105 f/4L, 85 f/1.2L II and, I’m teetering between the 100 f/2.8L Macro and the 70-200 f/4L IS.

First question: I will be using these with my 7D. Which three would you recommend? I will be doing food photography, hence the macro lens, but would like to know whether or not I atually need the macro lens.

Second Question: Because of budget, which TWO of the above would you recommend if I use with the 5D?

Thanks again for all your advice!

— Alfred

Alfred Lopez

Matt,

Thanks again. I will consider the 85mm 1.8. I’m assuming that it’s optically on par with the 1.2? No? I just got spoiled with the the two L lenses that I rented for the shoots (I don’t own any of the 70-200mm). I just read your lens article and it looks like I will be getting the 70-200 f/2.8 (not sure if I’ll get the newest version or not). Judging by your reply, you imply that the 70-200 should serve me well for my macro photography (“mock macro” photography, I guess) so I will ixnay the macro lens. As far as the 24-105 for the 7D, I’m going to assume you would recommend the 24-70 f/2.8L instead.

Thanks again.

–Alfred

PS
I joined the community.

Alfred Lopez

Matt,

Thanks for all your help. I wound up with the following: 5D, 24-105 f/4L, 85mm f/1.2 II, 60mm f/2.8 macro. I will be getting the 70-200 f/4L in a few weeks. On the macro lens……WOW that’s a nice lens! I’m using it on the 7D (obviously) and my wife wants to use it on the Rebel XT (she’s intimidated by my cameras). I can’t thank you enough! I’m very pleased with my purchase and that 85mm makes ANY subject look good. Even my “grande” Starbucks coffee cup on my table! :-) Though I will need to practice a bit with it.

Again, thank you.

–Alfred Lopez

Rick

Before investing in any camera for professional use, I would invest my money, and I did, in
Canon L lenses. Mine are all 2.8 and up. Now I am looking at the 5d mark ii.

patil

Matthew, also please suggest which camera has more flexibility. Do you see a likelihood of 5D getting firmware updated or will canon release 5D mark 3.

patil

Thank you Matthew, looking forward for your update.
I know a lot of film projects are being done with 5d & 7d and I know 5d records compressed footage, so my main concern is its vfx possibilities.

Charlie

Thanks Matthew.

Charlie

Hi,

I currently use the Canon 40D for photos and the Canon XH A1 for video recording and I’m debating on whether to upgrade to the 7D or the 5D markII. I mostly shoot video and photography at nightclubs and concerts under low light conditions. Since I travel to various countries, I’m also looking for a camera that helps reduce the amount of equipment I take with me.

Which one do you think is better for my work?

patil

Hi Matthew, Can you please let me know which one of these cameras (5d, 7d, t2i) are suitable for film making with vfx.

patil

PS: I meant for theatrical release, and is compressed footage very bad or is there any work around…

Frans Preidel

Matthew,
Thank you for this excellent unbiased review.
The reason I came across your review in the first place is that I am having some second thoughts about an impulse purchase I made today and would love you opinion and suggestions.
I am a hobbyist in the truest sense, I enjoy shooting nature, landscapes, architecture, interiors and portraits most friend especially like my close-ups making me the designated family photographer :):)
I have been using a Rebel XSI for a while now, I have 4 EF-S lenses, normal zoom, 2 tele-zooms and a wide angle. I have been looking to upgrade the entire system for a while now: body and lenses.
I have been thinking about the 5D2 for a while, and since i heard about the 7D I have been torn.
Now today, in a complete spur of the moment I bought a Rebel T2i.
The store has a 7 day return policy, so my dilemma is as follows
I can stay with the T2i. (But i wonder if the professional quality of the L series lenses is a slight mismatch with the lighter quality of the body)
or i can spend the extra money on the professional body.

If your suggestion is the latter;
Your report was so fair and unbiased that I still see no clear winner for my needs.
After reading your review (especially the two columns at the bottom) I was leaning to the 7D. However, your reply to Joe “If cost were truly not an issue, and in the absence of a specific reason to choose the 7D, I’d recommend the 5D MarkII for the simple reason that it will ultimately provide better image quality, even if that difference is hard to measure in most real situations. It does have a significant advantage when it comes to digital noise, and a (perhaps less) significant advantage in resolution.”
you had me all confused again.

Please let me know what you think

Frans Preidel

Matthew,
once again thank you for making it very clear to me!
I did exchange the T2i for a 7D and got a 24-70 2.8L lens.

I ma looking forward to put it to the test!

ps
even at the last minute i was still thinking 5D markII but a pro photographer that I struck up a conversation with in the store, voiced the exact same opinions as yours about cameras, and discussing my photography in more detail it became much clearer that for me 7D is the way to go

Thanks

waldo

I currently use a canon 40-D, I would like to upgrade to the 7D or 5D markII, I do have 2 pieces of L-series glass24-70MM 1:28 l USM and zoom 70-200mm 1:28 L series USM glass. I don’t really shoot fast sports scenes of the kids so i don’t need lots of FPS speed. I do shoot pics of the kids playing sports though. I do shoot pics of the kids, landscapes, and architecture(buildings, etc) which camera would best suit my needs. On a recent trip to Wasington DC, did see the limitations of my current camera. I do have tri and monopods but usually shoot free hand. thanks in advance

Joe

Thanks Matthew for one of the better commentaries I have seen on this topic.
I was wondering if I could get some additional feedback given the lens equipment I already own.

I have a Canon 30D and want to upgrade to either the 7D or 5D (cost of camera not relevant)
I own 3 lens, the Sigma EF-S 10-20, the Canon 24-70 2.8L and the Canon 70-200 f4L IS

The dilemma I’m facing is, do I get the 7D and continue on the path I was going (adding the Canon 100-400 next year for a Safari trip) or do I go for the FF given I have 2 FF lens and add the 17-40 to get me back to the same range on the lower end. Albeit here the price is now becoming a factor.
Also I have given up some of the crop zoom. I used exposure plot to see a little over 10% of my shots are between 200-300mm (adj for true 35mm) so not sure how much to worry about latter point especially if I get the ultrazoom (but I also need to carry it vs specific purpose events).

Also I don’t target any specific type of photography, just a serious hobbyist, but I would say probably say sports is the least type of shot I take.

Thanks

Joe

Thanks for your feedback.
Reason for the upgrade from the 30D is to increase photo quality and perhaps some better autofocus technology.
My photos are printed no bigger than 11×14 in my place (I rotate through about 10 frames), regular viewing is on a 55″ LCD and they are on a personal website.
I do buildings and landscapes (usually travel based), portraits (wife, friends), lot of outdoor camping/hiking stuff, animal shots when I can.
I guess I could keep the crop for safari but then that defeats getting better quality for the safari trip, although the dual camera setup may be interesting approach if got a small rebel.
I’m removing price so that 7D doesnt come out on top over 5D but it does matter when it comes to lens replacements.
Thx

Sarah

Nice unbiased review. I was wondering if it makes any difference if one uses EF lenses on the 7D as opposed to EF-S lenses. What I was thinking of doing is getting a 7D now but buying EF lenses so that when I upgrade later to a FF camera (perhaps a 5d mark III) I will be able to use the lenses on both cameras. Will the image quality on the 7D suffer if FF lenses are used?

Hussein

Now im confused after releasing the 7d , i dnt know wt to buy i m so hesitated should i buy the 5d mark II or the 7d !?

Cem Kiper

Hi Matthew,
I usually don’t take time to write in such forums. (I have a 40D and am tmpted for an upgrade…struglling in between these 2 models as many other folks here).
Just wanted to thank you not only for the review but also for your detailed/extensive feedback to all who raised various questions…I wish all the best !

Birdman

I was stuck in same dilemma. It came down to price, of course, but i still went with the 5d II.

Also, coming from a 40d, i knew the 7d would be a more modest IQ upgrade. Will be selling my ole 40 in a few sad days. Is it possible to be attached to a camera?? sniff, sniff, boo hoo

Haha. Anyway, the Mark II was what i really wanted with the clearly higher ISO advantage. Also, primes are normal length, meant to be used the way they were supposed to.

The 7d is probably the best crop camera out now. But it can’t compare to this Cadillac I just bought today! A sports car or a luxury car?? Which one do you prefer? Speed and gadgets= 7d

Not that its a inferior DSLR…but for low-light, wide angle, and DOF with my excellent primes (35L and 85/1.8) I needed Full framer. All along, it was my camera of choice. Now if they could have just updated the AF system and other aged featurers///////////////////

Nivas

This is an excellent article. Like other viewers, I also enjoyed reading it (learned few things as well). I am looking for equipment which can take good photos of kids in low light. 7D has good AF (fast) while 5D mark ii has superior low light performance (high ISO). It brings D700 into the equation (very good AF and excellent high ISO performance). 7D is very compelling given the features, newer technologies and cost factor. How do you compare D700 with the above (for kids photos in low light – evening home conditions)?

I will be buying one of the above if I know which is more suited for kids photography.

Nivas

Thanks Matthew. I really appreciate your reply.

I tried both 7D and 5D mark ii. They are both great cameras in their own respect.

In the end, I bought D700. I checked so much on the internet – several reviews (I also personally held the cameras to have a feel). Your reply was very useful and it helped me to understand my main priority. I would like to shoot people and especially my kid(s). I see them mostly in the evening for the best part of the week. Autofocus and face recognition features (of course high ISO capabability) made me to decide on D700. But from my brief experience, I have a feeling that I prefer Canon’s colour tones than Nikon. I really enjoy using this camera – autofocus works brilliant (it does not hunt too much in low light). I feel more confident that I can manage good photo eventually. I still did not manage a good evening photo :-) as my son is still giving a huge challenge (it is harder with slow lens). I cant afford faster lens for a while.

You have made a very interesting observation on down-sampling. I could observe that when I checked my friend’s landscape photo. 5D mark ii preserved amazing detail.

In terms of my choice, I would have preferred 5D mark ii if it had better auto focusing (7D?) capability (and face recoginition feature). In most of the time, 7D should be very good.

Once again, thanks for sharing your experience and advice.

Sara

Thank you for the review! Any suggestions for child portraiture photography? I want high resolution with the ability to enlarge well, but need some degree of speed for keeping up with the kiddos! I use almost entirely natural light, and mostly shoot outdoors. Thanks for your help!

Sara

Sorry–meant to add: I am currently using the Canon 40d and have 3 different EF lenses, so I belive my lenses would work on the 5D mark ii. Thanks again.

Luke

Hi Matthew,

Great read compared to some of the comparisons out there on the 7D/5Dmk2 issue.

Like others I’m doing my research before taking the plunge and investing in one of these bodies, however even after reading your review, I’m still at a loss as to what I prefer!

I use my camera primarily for vehicle photography, static shots that rely on considerable detail, most of my work with that is tethered to a monopod (especially with my 70-200 f/2.8). In this case, the digital spirit level in the 7D is valuable to me, I like getting things right the first time. Aside from that style of photography, I do real estate photography, so plenty of wide angle usage and low light conditions unless I decide a flash is required for those horrendously lit rooms.

Currently I have a Canon 50D with a 24-70 f/2.8 L, 70-200 f/2.8 L and a Sigma 10-20. Obviously I’ll have to purchase an EF wide angle such as the 17-40 f/4 L. Will I really benefit that much from the jump up to full frame? I don’t really care about video that much, it will most likely never be used.

Perhaps I’m overthinking this! Its quite a large investment and I don’t think I can go past the allure of full frame… But the $2,000 price difference between the 7D and the 5Dmk2+17-40 brings me down to earth a bit!

What do you think :)

Dale Voelker

Matthew: Enjoyed your comparitive analysis. I have been reading these reviews for some time and I rarely, if ever, hear any discussion about the fact that the cropped sensor on any camera should have better image quality in the corners since the image is passing through the “sweet spot” of the lens, and not the edge. All other things being equal. Am I missing something or is this just taken for granted? Thanks, Dale

Monty

Nice article Matt! I’m torn between the 7D and 5DMkII right now. Would appreciate your opinion. I’m a budding macro photographer; 80% of my work would be macro and 20% landscape. I’m leaning towards MkII but I’m worried about: (a) only 9 point AF vs 19 point in 7D, (b) can’t use Canon EF-S lenses in MkII, and 7D can handle both EF and EF-S, (c) maybe I could start with 7D and wait for an upgrade to MKII? Thanks.

Thad

Thank you Matthew. I am astounded by this review and by your personal responses. You have a very inviting writing style. This article has been more helpful (on this subject) than all the other sites I’ve looked at combined. I apologize if these questions are too amateur but can you give us some examples of lenses that would be good to use with the 7D? Would any L series IS lens be at a higher quality than the 7D sensor? By looking at the specs of a lens, how can you tell if the quality is better than the camera?

Ahmed

Nice and very informative article. Thank you.
I am hoping that you could provide me with further quidance. I am not a professional photographer, just an average “good” hobbiest. I am an Architect and thus my primary subject would be buildings. I also travel around the world and like to document and photograph historical buildings, landscapes, and sometimes interesting scenes. My problem, however, has always been shooting the interiors of buildings with low light conditions. Absent travelling with elaborate lighting devices, which one cannot carry and would not be able to set up anyway, I was wondering if a full frame camera like the 5D-II would offer any advantages in low light conditions? I’ve read in some places that it does, while others say that it does not. What is your opinion?

Sarah

This has been extremely helpful! I have been very confused and slightly mislead on the differences between the 5D and 7D. Thank you for your clear and concise comparison!

Daniele

Hi,

Really nice article.

I would like to know if you think that a resampled 5D file will be equal or better in IQ performance than a 7D files.

To make an example shooting a distance subject with a 300mm 5D & 7D, the 5D file resampled to match the same resolution will be better than the 7D one?

Best regard
Daniele

Hany Ramzy Ata

I think you are very good, it is one of the best comparison i found. KEEP ON THE GOOD WORK!!!

Blaine

I found your review EXTREMELY helpful!! I’m debating between these two cameras, but i can’t quite figure out which one to get. I’m heading to hawaii in a few months, so im doin my research now. Thanks!

Gregory

A very helpful review — thanks for taking the time to post. I have been going back and forth between the 7D and the 5D Mark II. I think the best for me is to do the 7D and then possibly upgrade in 1-2 years when the 5D Mark III comes out.

Steve keeling

An excellent and balanced review. I shoot a lot with a pal and we share equipment – which means I borrow his gear as he is rich and I am not! I have a 30D that I realy need to upgrade. he has a 40D, 5D & 5D2. I was looking at his 5D to buy. However, I can borrow the 5D2 if I need to take landscapes. My own style is very different than my pal. He is landscape driven where I am a hip shot – can’t be bothered with post processing, photo journalist type. I have only three lenses. 24-105L, 50m1.4 and a lensbaby. After reading your analyses the 7D is my choice – so thanks again.

Seth Moyer

I also enjoyed your article. I am deciding between the two and this really helps! Thanks!

Gilbert Pool

I particularly loved the unbiased feel of this review, and i would think for those photographers who prefer cameras to photography, or have difficulty to see the trees from the woods on the photography web, your final 2-column comparison does the trick perfectly. Well done! I shall certainly bookmark your site.